Host: Zhang Xingkui (Lawyer at Beijing Shengyan Law Firm)
Guest: Liu Liyuan, Associate Professor at Beijing Normal University (nicknamed "Smelly Liu" for his research on smelly feet)
Uninvited Guest: Fu Dezhi, Chief Researcher of Seed Plant Taxonomy Innovation Research Group at the Institute of Botany, Chinese Academy of Sciences
After the meeting, I immediately posted a new blog: Public Alliance Center Discussion on Zhou Tiger: Testimony Sent to Lawyer Gu, Smelly Liu's Big Stink
(2008-10-19 22:06:49) Smelly Liu's blog also quickly published a new post: Ten Comments on the Zhou Zhenglong Case
It appears the battle for second trial defense lawyer Gu Yushu has begun. The crux of the tiger-faking faction's argument is that Zhou Zhenglong is innocent in the fake tiger photo incident, and the real culprits are Guan Ke, who faked and photographed 71 tiger photos, and Liu Liyuan, who faked tiger footprints in the snow and took fake photos. They should receive the harshest punishment to show the public that deception always leads to tragic consequences.
Most lawyers present had not closely followed the Shaanxi Zhou Tiger case. Smelly Liu made bold statements but started paying attention to strategy, not daring to openly claim that Zhou Tiger truly photographed a real tiger. This might have been his intention, but it didn't interest the lawyers. Meanwhile, the unexpected guest thoroughly disrupted Smelly Liu's plans by presenting evidence against the fake tiger photo. Even lawyers who had been deceived by him no longer believed his wild claims after hearing the detailed explanation.
Before the meeting ended, various lawyers, legal workers, and media representatives spoke, all agreeing that the Shaanxi Zhou Tiger photos were definitely not taken by farmer Zhou Zhenglong. They hoped second trial defense lawyer Gu Yushu could objectively and fairly reveal the truth.
Lawyer Gu Yushu, sitting next to Smelly Liu, made an extremely brief statement, saying he would humbly seek advice from everyone, then fell silent. After the meeting dinner, as an uninvited guest, I left early out of consideration for their arrangements. I don't know if Smelly Liu also guaranteed by law and ethics to submit their evidence to second trial defense lawyer Gu Yushu of the Shaanxi Zhou Tiger case.
Below is Smelly Liu's latest blog post with some brief comments inserted.
Fu Dezhi
Beijing, August 2010
Public Alliance Conference (Comments in Bold)
The sun blog (meridian research)
Ten comments on the Zhou Zhenglong case (No. 7~No. 10)
http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_5003bd190100bie0.html#cmt_826327 (2008-10-18 22:18:11)
Unfortunately, due to Sina's blog character limit, the article had to be split into two parts.
Chapter Eight: Participating in the "Zhou Zhenglong Tiger Photo Case Seminar" and taking the opportunity to attack the leader of the tiger-faking faction
The "Zhou Zhenglong Tiger Photo Case Seminar" organized by the Gongmeng Legal Research Center has concluded. The main content and details will be released by the organizer, so I won't elaborate much.
I. Agenda Content
I gave the keynote speech, focusing on how assuming Zhou Zhenglong faked the tiger photo, it was purely academic and work-related misconduct, completely unrelated to fraud charges, summarizing it as judicial error intervention. After judicial departments got involved, there were numerous law enforcement issues in various stages like detention, arrest, lawyer appointment, court attendance, etc., concluding as judicial intervention errors. Additionally, I pointed out that the ammunition in Zhou Zhenglong's home changed from legal possession to illegal possession, which doesn't apply to criminal law. In summary, even if Zhou Zhenglong faked it, he is not guilty, and Zhou Zhenglong's court testimony indicates he didn't know how to fake it, meaning Zhou never faked it.
II. Off-Agenda Content
The meeting originally planned to invite Fu Dezhi, http://blog.cnii.com.cn/?uid-175641-action-viewspace-itemid-971280, but after I indicated he wasn't suitable for such an activity, the original plan was canceled. Due to his insistence, saying he had evidence to submit to Lawyer Gu, they temporarily made him a name tag with a marker and seated him opposite me. After the meeting started, I gave a long and detailed speech, captivating the audience, but Mr. Fu became extremely impatient, asking the host that Liu Liyuan isn't a legal professional... Most people present were from the legal field, and he wanted to hear from legal professionals...
...He doesn't understand law, can he just talk nonsense..., the host finally interrupted him, saying we need to hear all voices, and asked me to continue within five minutes. I naturally finished soon after. The second speaker was Professor Xiao from Political University, who, with righteous indignation, besides praising my speech, repeatedly emphasized that my speech was entirely professional, without going beyond the scope, and as a professional himself, he couldn't do any better, though he did have some tangential remarks.
This praise made me quite embarrassed, but indeed hit Mr. Fu hard, causing him to undress, go to the restroom, and doze off repeatedly, unable to settle down. Later, he twice interrupted experts/lawyers speaking, both times stopped promptly by the host, suggesting private discussions instead, allowing speakers to continue. After a short break, Mr. Fu handed over a testimony to Lawyer Gu through the host and requested to explain related evidence. The scheduled multimedia presentation was mysteriously canceled, so Fu could only introduce the fake tiger evidence using A4 paper pages. He first claimed he wasn't paid to expose tigers, but was doing it as part of his job, arranged by his superior. Then he said how last time Phoenix PK invited him but he refused, and this time the organizer earnestly invited him again. Regarding the evidence, there were ten points total. First was the large leaves on the back, up to 30cm long, generally palm-sized, so the tiger looked more like a cat. Second was the flash problem, mentioning how Hao Jinsong raised the same question on Phoenix TV, while Liu Liyuan avoided answering (pointing at Liu Liyuan's nose, I said, why did you get nervous when Hao Jinsong asked about the flash, calling it a detective novel? Old Hao's detective novel is realistic, hitting your Achilles heel). Third I didn't hear clearly, as the host announced time was up and wouldn't let him continue.
Next, time was given to me, the lawyer, hoping I could respond in five minutes. I first seriously questioned Mr. Fu's motives: If Gu uses these things to prove Zhou Zhenglong faked it, then Lawyer Gu shouldn't go to Shaanxi, because Zhou Zhenglong doesn't want another lawyer proving his guilt in the second trial. Then I told everyone that I asked two directors from Phoenix TV, who both said they'd never heard of his name, let alone inviting him.
Regarding Mr. Fu's questions, I was well-prepared (Mr. Liu disagreed with my attendance, right? Indeed, Mr. Liu prepared meticulously, thinking I wouldn't attend and planning to deceive lawyer friends. My sudden arrival disrupted his plans).
I casually pulled out a printed and cut-out New Year painting tiger sample, folding it between the head and body, telling everyone that the width of the tiger's head in the photo equals its body length. Whatever the body length, the head is equally wide. Leaves the size of palms are 20cm long, making a tiger with a 20cm wide head already quite large, as our lab's South China tiger specimen has a head width of only 18cm and a body length of 1.5 meters. Even if Zhou Zhenglong used a New Year painting tiger, its head width of 17.5cm makes it a pretty big tiger. If the leaves on the back are 30cm long, a tiger with a 30cm wide head would be enormous, so I request not to give me such large leaves. Even if Zhou Zhenglong shot a fake tiger, it wouldn't be a small one.
I declared I wouldn't answer all questions, just needed to refute two points. Then I addressed the flash issue. I quoted Chairman Mao, saying without investigation and research, there is no right to speak. I told everyone that when I went to Zhenping, I took a Canon 400D camera from Xi'an. Trying it out on the train, I attempted to photograph a little girl across from me, when focusing, there was a crisp sound, the flash automatically popped up, startling both me and the little girl, ruining the photo (this is Mr. Liu's first description of the flash: startled greatly). Then I showed an enlarged film photo, numbered 16A, likely taken after the 9th digital photo. Below the photo, the digital camera was captured, standard equipment with no special lens, the flash closed. It shows after the 9th flash (this is Mr. Liu's second description of the flash: no mention of the tiger), Zhou pushed it down again. When shooting the 41st digital photo, it's very possible that Zhou encountered the same situation as me on the train, where during focusing, the flash popped up, startling the tiger, and the last photo wasn't successfully taken (this is Mr. Liu's third description of the flash: startling the tiger. Why wasn't the tiger startled when the flash lit up on the 9th photo? Also note: Guan Ke et al. consistently emphasize alternating between digital and film photography, repeating the above flash process!). Since it was daytime and the flash light wasn't strong, Zhou didn't see the flash and mistook the flash popping up for the flash starting (this is Mr. Liu's fourth description of the flash: able to startle two people greatly on a rumbling train, yet neither Zhou Tiger nor the tiger being photographed noticed the flash lighting up twice during digital and film photography. There's only one reason: neither the photographer nor the subject cared about the flash that could startle someone!).
Time had exceeded significantly, and I concluded my supplementary remarks. Afterwards, Fu either slept with arms crossed or went outside to smoke, seemingly never fully awake (realizing now, Mr. Liu understood his words weren't worth listening to, nor was he worth a second glance). There was one instance where he interrupted another person's speech, similarly cut off by the host. Due to time constraints, each person's speaking time needed full protection. During the free discussion phase, Mr. Li Zhou (a pro-tiger general, when the host asked his background, he didn't even dare to report his name. I wrote my phone number, address, identity, and name largely, for anyone to note down and welcome discussions on any Shaanxi Zhou Tiger issue) was allowed to make a brief speech. The meeting lasted from two-thirty until six, then concluded.
Afterward, invited experts and journalists gathered for dinner. Before we even left the meeting room, Mr. Fu had disappeared (skipping dinner, bringing along a Hong Kong journalist on the way, he left). During dinner, everyone wondered what Mr. Fu came for, why he didn't act like a researcher, and why he behaved that way. I told everyone not to provoke him, as you couldn't handle him anyway. He's the famous street-cursing researcher, pioneering online cursing, infamous worldwide, truly unparalleled (still having some self-awareness, why not surrender and turn yourself in? What are you waiting for?).
After dinner, a journalist asked me for my thoughts. I said Mr. Fu was utterly incompetent (didn't you just say he was invincible? Now saying he's incompetent. Self-contradictory traditional Chinese medicine says yin-yang imbalance, phlegm-blood stagnation, mental confusion). Adhering to my prior commitment, whenever encountering tiger-exposing individuals, I must defeat them without fail. Today, despite the tight schedule, I still delivered a fatal blow. Recently, I've consecutively defeated two tiger-exposing warriors - Hao Jinsong and Fu Dezhi, unsure if they still have the strength to resist (if beaten so painfully yet still claiming not to feel pain, don't let me see you again!). However, although Hao Jinsong repeatedly declined to attend this meeting, I hope he joins the Beijing lawyer team to support Zhou Zhenglong and continue contributing to public interest law.
After returning home, I called an old friend, telling him that Mr. Fu actually seemed quite pitiful. Even though he cursed me, I almost didn't hate him, sympathy outweighing anger. I joked with several legal experts and lawyers, Fu kept jumping around, yelling for me to sue him, asking them what legal issue this represented. After a moment of inexplicable silence, they seemed to say: unprecedented, who knows.
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