In the early days, apart from Pony Ma (at that time, I once sent a vice president to acquire his company), a majority of these founders, such as Robin Li, Chen Tianqiao, and Jack Ma, were either old friends or had met at some conferences. Regarding the past decade of these four Internet companies, I think it has all been a learning process. Tencent once felt lost and even considered selling itself. Robin Li probably did not think of today's so-called search engine model until 2003. He started by making software, working on a B2B model. One could say that they were all feeling their way forward, advancing on a tortuous path without giving up.