Keso was talking about freedom, and I added afterwards: The Chinese say, "Without rules, one cannot form a square or a circle," implying that freedom is a luxury. In fact, neither of us really thought clearly about what freedom actually is, and we both said some naive things. How could freedom be a luxury? Freedom is inherently possessed by everyone. Only those who are foolish and lack enlightenment would clamor about the absence of freedom. Keso talked at length about freedom in terms of management mechanisms, which is an external kind of freedom. I think these kinds of freedom have little direct relation to the creativity of Google employees. If Google only had its so-called free management system, and their employees lacked superhuman wisdom and talent, more importantly, a free mind, then what could they possibly create? Only when a person realizes that their own heart and soul are always free, not bound by external things, and dares to innovate, will they...